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Abdullahi dan Fodio has been listed as one of the Philosophy and religion good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.

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Date	Process	Result
July 17, 2023	Good article nominee	Not listed
April 1, 2024	Good article nominee	Listed

Current status: Good article

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Reviewer: TompaDompa (talk · contribs) 20:22, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is a WP:QUICKFAIL based on criterion 3 (It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include {{cleanup}}, {{POV}}, {{unreferenced}} or large numbers of {{citation needed}}, {{clarify}}, or similar tags.) and criterion 1 (It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria), specifically WP:GACR 2b (reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose)). The current version has several uncited paragraphs. I'll add some maintenance tags to the article itself. TompaDompa (talk) 20:22, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

GA Review

Passed. — FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (talk) 17:49, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: FenrisAureus (talk · contribs) 14:51, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello fellow traveller! I will be reviewing this nomination over the course of the next several days. If you have time, please consider reviewing an article at WP:GAN — FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (talk) 14:51, 2 March 2024‎ (UTC)[reply]

GA review

Last updated: 10:55, 10 April 2024 (UTC) by FuzzyMagma

See what the criteria are and what they are not

1) Well-written

1a) the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct

Some of the titles in Writings do not have english translations. It's not a big deal, so I won't fail the criterion over it but if you can translate them for me that would be great, because I don't read arabic.— FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (talk) 20:20, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1b) it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation

see above. — FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (talk) 20:20, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2) Verifiable with no original research

2a) it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline

2b) reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose)

2c) it contains no original research

2a/2b/2c Combined spot check
Citation	Pass / Fail	Comment
Last, Murray (1967). The Sokoto Caliphate. Internet Archive. Humanities Press.	2a)	fixed minor citation error, other than that, lgtm. — FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (talk) 08:48, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
	2b)	—
	2c)	—
"Shaykh Abdullahi Ibn Fuduye'". Sankore' Institute of Islamic-African Studies International. 2014-12-24. Retrieved 2024-03-06.	2a)	fixed minor format error— FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (talk) 09:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
	2b)	—
	2c)	—
Hashimi, A.O. (June 2020). "Gender Balance and Arabic Cultivation: A Case Study of Selected Female Arabic Cultivators in Pre-Colonial Northern Nigeria" (PDF). Islamic University Multidisciplinary Journal. 7 (2): 132.	2a)	found non-broken link — FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (talk) 01:26, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
	2b)	—
	2c)	—
Boyd, Jean; Mack, Beverly B. (1984). African Historical Sources Series: Collected Works of Nana Asma'u, Daughter of Usman dan Fodiyo (1793–1864). Michigan State University Press. pp. 34–35. ISBN 0-87013-475-2.	2a)	looks good to me!— FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (talk) 01:26, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
	2b)	—
	2c)	—
"Gwandu, Nigeria". Encyclopedia Britannica. 9 January 2009. Retrieved 19 March 2024.	2a)	cleaned up citation template— FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (talk) 01:38, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
	2b)	—
	2c)	—

2d) it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism

WP:EARWIG says 0.0% — FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (talk) 21:40, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

3) Broad in its coverage

3a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic

3b) it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style)

no issues here!— FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (talk) 20:16, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

4) Neutral:

4) Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each

Still reading for neutrality, but so far the early life section borders on outright flattery regarding his intelligence. This will need fixing. More to come.— FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (talk) 09:19, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed minor issues with legacy section. See above for issues with early life, which still require fixing. On hold until remediated.— FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (talk) 20:12, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just changed some lines in the article to try to address the issues in the early life section. If you dont mind, can you please go through it again? I intend to continue improving it and would like more suggestions. Thanks. BlueSahelian (talk) 23:49, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

works for me. Pass— FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (talk) 17:45, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

5) Stable:

5) Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute

No vandalism, edit warring, or the like. Pass — FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (talk) 09:19, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

6) Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio

6a) media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content

no issues here, see 6b — FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (talk) 16:29, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

6b) media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions

Firstly, the picture in the Wazirin Sokoto section seems to me to be of limited relevance. What is your rationale for its inclusion? Secondly, what information can you give me about the artwork at the bottom of the page in the second photo in Writings? The image caption should ideally elaborate on the subject.— FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (talk) 09:22, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed the second issue. Did some research, added source. Awaiting answer on the first.— FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (talk) 17:39, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First objection withdrawn— FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (talk) 20:36, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Very sorry for the delay, I honestly wasnt checking the review. Ill try to be quicker next time.

The picture showing the Jafi salute (the first picture) was meant to illustrate the salute Bello attempted to do. I couldn't find a better picture for the salute, so I settled with that one.

I don't think there is a special significance to the artwork in the second picture. It was likely meant to just decorate the folio. Unfortunately, I have no source for this claim. BlueSahelian (talk) 02:41, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thats alright. I did dome research and it appears to be a type of decorative section marker common in hausa calligraphy. I added that info to the caption with a source — FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (talk) 03:09, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The subject lived relatively recently. Any extant photographs, or artworks depicting the subject that we could use for the infobox?— FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (talk) 07:54, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I highly doubt there is any image of him, and I dont think there is any art of him due to his religious beliefs. BlueSahelian (talk) 23:11, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was unaware that in Islam that Muslims other than the prophet Muhammad are unable to be depicted in art. Could you elaborate? This is just personal curiosity.— FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (talk) 23:35, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah. But today, there is no real consensus on the matter. However, during his time, most Muslim scholars, particularly from Hausaland, saw it as Haram. I read somewhere (unfortunately i cant remember the source) that that is why Hausa architecture extensively makes use of patterns.

I just found this wiki article relating to your question, if you are interested. BlueSahelian (talk) 00:06, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Overall:

See neutrality issues above. Other than that, it seems good. If you can translate the titles in Writings, please do. On hold until criterion 4 remediated.— FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (talk) 20:25, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, will work on that. Thanks. BlueSahelian (talk) 22:07, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All issues resolved, thanks for the translations, I spent 3 hours trying unsuccessfully to find answers on that. Pass — FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (talk) 17:47, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments:

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